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I'm a secondary class music teacher and would very much like to find some of the above. I seem to spend too much time repairing and resoldering. Although my students are not wantonly vandalistic(??) accidents do happen, particularly when passing electric guitar from one person to another without realising that not only is the lead still plugged into the guitar but they are also treading on it. Something has to give.

I have tried all sorts. I now always buy guitars with the input on the face rather than at the end. I have also tried "armour plated" guitar leads, but they still have a weak point at bit where the wire is soldered to the plug. The best lead I have come across is one the company desribe as the ultimate guitar lead - it's pretty good, no repairs yet. Guitars also seem vunerable with tiny bits of solder again connecting the socket to the internal wires. (Bass guitars seem more prone to fault than electric.)

Does anyone have opinions or ideas. I am not a guitarist and I know many of you who are would shudder at the thought and barely be able to restrain yourselves at sight of how badly a teenager can handle a guitar - I once saw a student trying to pull a straight jack lead out of a guitar sideways!!!!

Is it partly a matter of quality, do expensive guitars have big lumps of solder and heavy duty wires. Has anyone ever come across a company that design guitars they claim are indestructable specifically for schools. Does anyone have any thoughts of tips for reinforcing these weak areas of guitars etc.

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I believe Fenda once made a guitar with a black granite body. Oh’ the sustain was perfect but nobody could pick the thing up to play it!

But seriously out church music and microphone stands could do with protection in a similar way.

David Bull.

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TOP TIP for the best quality guitar leads go to the website for AWARD SESSION, they make the best quality cables at very very low prices. I don't know how indestructible they are but they use industrial grade cabling that is noiseless and doesn't bias the sound.

As for the other stuff, buy a gun and tell the kids, first one who abuses a guitar goes against the nearest wall.....lol

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Not sure about indestructible guitars, though I did once fit an XLR socket on my Bass because the jack socket kept crackling. With regards to leads. Planet Waves leads are the best I have come across. I would probably avoid Yamaha electric guitars for the school. Although good sounding, the ones I have taken apart just have the cables shoved in like a birds nest. Ibanez could be worth a try. My bass has a little circuit board with really neat connectors and immaculate wiring.

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Thanks for this Mark. Your comments about Yamaha electric guitars sort of confirmed what I was thinking about them - most of the problems I have had are from Yamaha. I've only ever used an Ibanez bass but not problems. Do they do electric guitars as well?

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They do. Tend to be used more for heavy rock / metal. Though maybe why they're quite sturdy.

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These are the best cables I have ever used - fantastic quality. http://bassic-bits.co.uk/

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I like the fact they do muting ones.

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"I seem to spend too much time repairing and resoldering. "
1. Announce to the class that from this date you will no longer be soldering leads
2. Announce that from this date you will be giving free soldering lessons
3. tell your students to either use their own leads or pay for breakages.

It's never too early to teach kids how the world operates. And they get a new skill into the bargain

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Nice ideas - unfortunately health and safety and Ofsted would stand in the way.

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i think planets waves are as close to indestructible as i've seen. HOWEVER as a peri guitar teacher in schools I would NOT get em as leads are very easily stolen/borrowed without permission. So unless you have a) extremely honest (though destructive) pupils or b) kids are searched on leaving the premises - i'd go for the cheapest 'planet waves clones' you can get.

I found epiphones fairly hardy. Expensive guitars are no less destructible.

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AAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Couldn't have put it better myself

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